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Where They Stand: Groups A through D after three rounds of UEFA Champions League

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When we look back on today’s UEFA Champions League action, two results will stand out as most influential, neither of which involved contenders for this year’s title. Bayern Munich, Paris Saint-Germain, and Real Madrid stayed perfect, but they were expected to do so. Had they slipped, they’d still be favorites to claim first in their groups. The more important results involved teams fighting for second place, with clubs able to claim valuable road points earning a distinct advantage.

If that reads like a bunch of nonsense, consider today’s result in Moscow. Manchester City and CSKA are battling in a group Bayern will claim, leaving duo to fight for the one remaining knockout round spot. Both came into the day on three points, but City was able to claim three road points, riding a Sergio Agüero double to a 2-1 victory. CSKA fell three points behind, essentially making match day four’s visit to Manchester a must-win.

In Group C, Olympiacos couldn’t hold on for full points in Lisbon, but they got a result against their chief rival for second behind PSG. Though they’re only one point ahead of Benfica, they deprived the Portuguese club of two points they would have expected. Two weeks from now, when the teams meet in Piraeus, the Greek champions will be favored to take full points and pull away from the Eagles.

Here’s where Groups A through D stand after Wednesday’s Champions League action:

* – To each of these standings we’ve added a column labeled +/-: a crude attempt to track how many points a team has dropped at home (minus) or picked up on the road (plus). It’s a very crude attempt to gauge the extent to which teams are holding serve.

Group A
Team GP W D L GF GA GD Home Away PTS +/-*
Manchester United 3 2 1 0 6 3 +3 2-0-0 0-0-1 7 +1
Bayer Leverkusen 3 2 0 1 8 5 +3 2-0-0 0-1-0 6 +0
Shakhtar Donetsk 3 1 1 1 3 5 -2 0-0-1 1-1-0 4 +1
Real Sociedad 3 0 0 3 1 5 -3 0-1-0 0-2-0 0 -3

Shakhtar Donetsk’s result looks bad, losing 4-0 in Leverkusen, but in the bigger picture, they’re still ahead of the game. Their match day one victory at Real Sociedad remains the only road  win in the group – a result Bayer may not replicate. If Shakhtar can win at home against Bayer and get Sociedad to go their part, the disadvantage they put themselves at with a four-goal loss may become meaningless.

Group B
Team GP W D L GF GA GD Home Away PTS +/-*
Real Madrid 3 3 0 0 12 2 +10 2-0-0 1-0-0 9 +3
Galatasaray 3 1 1 1 6 9 -3 1-0-1 0-0-1 4 -2
Juventus 3 0 2 1 4 5 -1 0-0-1 0-1-1 2 -1
Copenhagen 3 0 1 2 2 8 -6 0-0-1 0-2-0 1 -2

We’ve been harping on this since Galatasaray left Turin, but it’s worth repeating: Things are not looking good for Juventus. Clearly, third place is a sub-optimal spot, but given the rest of their schedule includes a visit from Real Madrid and a trip to Istanbul, it’s no given they’ll make up the points needed to pass Gala. The Turkish champions still have a trip to the Bernabéu, but if they win in Copenhagen and hold serve against Juve, they’re going through at the Old Lady’s expense. If Gala win in Denmark, Juventus will need a result in Istanbul.

As for the group leaders, Real Madrid can clinch a spot in the knockout round with a win at Juventus. If Copenhagen also gets a result against Gala, Real Madrid wins the group.

Group C
Team GP W D L GF GA GD Home Away PTS +/-*
Paris Saint-Germain 3 3 0 0 12 1 +11 1-0-0 2-0-0 9 +6
Olympiacos 3 1 1 1 5 5 0 0-1-0 1-0-1 4 +1
Benfica 3 1 1 1 3 4 -2 1-0-1 0-1-0 4 -2
Anderlecht 3 0 0 3 0 10 -10 0-2-0 0-1-0 0 -6

Paris Saint-Germain’s in a simliar situation to Real Madrid. Win at home against Anderlecht and they’re into the knockout round. If Olympiacos and Benfica also draw, PSG clinches Group C.

The big battle here’s between Olympiacos and Benfica, with the Greek champions holding a number of subtle edges. They’ve already claimed points at Benfica, have the Portuguese runners-up in Greece next round, have two games remaining at home, and host Anderlecht while Benfica visits Brussels. The Belgian champions are this group’s doormat, but if they’re going to claim any points this season, they’re more likely to do so at home than on the road.

Group D
Team GP W D L GF GA GD Home Away PTS +/-*
Bayern Munich 3 3 0 0 11 1 +10 2-0-0 1-0-0 9 +3
Manchester City 3 2 0 1 6 4 +2 0-1-0 2-0-0 6 +6
CSKA Moscow 3 1 0 2 4 7 -3 1-1-0 0-1-0 3 -3
Viktoria Plzen 3 0 0 3 2 11 -9 0-1-0 0-2-0 0 -3

Bayern can’t clinch anything next round without Manchester City’s help, but with a trip to Plzen on matchday four, the defending champions are likely to go to 12 points. If City gets a result against CSKA, that’ll be enough to clinch a knockout round spot.

Thanks to their win in Moscow, City doesn’t necessarily need a win against CSKA in Manchester. A draw means City stays three points ahead, clinches the tiebreaker between the teams, and has a path to 10 points via their remaining match with Plzen. CSKA, having another match with Bayern, are unlikely to get to 10 points without a victory in England.

Winter on Allardyce corruption allegations: “Touch and go whether he survives”

England international soccer team manager Sam Allardyce, centre, his assistant Sammy Lee, left, and FA chief executive Martin Glenn, right, applaud during the launch event of UEFA Euro 2020 and the unveiling of the tournament brand and the London host city logo at City Hall, in London, Wednesday Sept. 21, 2016. (AP Photo/Tim Ireland)
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As details continue to unfold from the Telegraph’s sting operation that may’ve caught England manager Sam Allardyce in its grasp, the question of whether the ex-Sunderland man could be fired after just months on the job is moving to the forefront.

Allardyce, 61, is on tape talking about third party ownership of players — a big no-no for FIFA — and the words have some alleging that he is giving advice on how to buck the system.

[ MORE: Watford’s Deeney rages after loss]

Given that the manager has only overseen one match for the Three Lions and had been accused, but never charged, with accepting bribes from agents in 2006, some think he may not survive the issue.

Well-connected The Times of London writer Henry Winter says it’s possible.

Liverpool’s Jurgen Klopp pulls the rug out from armchair tacticians

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Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp spent time on Sky Sports’ Monday Night Football set for Burnley’s 2-0 win over Watford, and proffered some fascinating comments.

The ones that had us quite delighted were some dismissive comments aimed at people who like talk about, even lament, the Reds’ “false nines” — boiled to its bone, an advanced attacking mid that assumes the striker’s role.

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After all, most times a 4-5-1 and a 4-1-4-1 are essentially the same thing (and perhaps dictated more by how a match plays out). And when Liverpool is using Daniel Sturridge, Roberto Firmino, or Divock Origi, it’s the player that matters as much as the formation (USMNT fans can consider how Bobby Wood and Clint Dempsey rotated around the top of Jurgen Klinsmann’s formation at the Copa America despite having a traditional given position in the Starting XI).

“To be honest, I don’t think about us having now a false nine or no nine or whatever it is. These players are all responsible for being in the opposition box in all situations there can be. “

Right. If an attack is moving ahead with just one man sitting high, that most advanced attacker is a forward. It doesn’t matter if that attacker has drifted out left on defense, or checked deeper into the formation when the other team has the ball. He’s a striker.

“A lot of people have got different views on it. Where’s the difference between 4-1-4-1 and 4-5-1, I don’t see it really.

“4-3-3, it depends on the situation you are in. For example, if you play a 4-3-3 with real wingers, like Holland played a few years ago, then it is different.”

Presumably, Klopp is speaking of the 4-3-3 employed by Louis Van Gaal at the 2014 World Cup in Brazil. Arjen Robben, Wesley Sneijder, and Robin Van Persie forced defenses to stretch wide as well as long, and that is a genuine 4-3-3. It’s much different than an average formation graphic showing three players high and three players low. The spacing of the opposition and movement of the ball match demands that!

Tactics and techniques are a lot of fun to discuss and debate, but Klopp reminded us a fact that plays out in almost every match. Most times, when the ball is kicked in anger, it’s “about Jims and Joes, not X’s and O’s” as former University at Buffalo and current Canisius College men’s basketball coach Reggie Witherspoon liked to say.

England: Allardyce in hot water after controversial Telegraph report

LONDON, ENGLAND - SEPTEMBER 21:  England manager Sam Allardyce and his assistant Sammy Lee listen to speakers during the UEFA EURO 2020 launch event for London at City Hall on September 21, 2016 in London, England.  (Photo by Dan Istitene/Getty Images)
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Sam Allardyce might be in a bit of trouble.

The England manager has been “caught” on tape by undercover Telegraph reporters in what’s being called a sting. Some of the banter is simply Allardyce being Allardyce — ripping on personalities he doesn’t like — and won’t affect much at all.

[ MORE: Watford’s Deeney rages after loss ]

Being outspoken isn’t a crime, after all. Other talk, though, could be quite damaging to the ex-Sunderland and Bolton boss. Allardyce reportedly flirted with getting big money to speak to a company that would be pitching third party ownership of players, which is strictly prohibited by FIFA.

From The Telegraph:

He agreed to travel to Singapore and Hong Kong as an ambassadorand explained to the “businessmen” how they could circumvent Football Association rules which prohibit third parties “owning” players.

Unbeknown to Allardyce, the businessmen were undercover reporters and he was being filmed as part of a 10-month Telegraph investigation that separately unearthed widespread evidence of bribery and corruption in British football.

The article is a part of an investigation the Telegraph claims will cause many problems for some big names in England over the coming days.

It could all come to nothing, though reports below show the Football Association will look into the Telegraph’s claims.

Watford’s Deeney raging after loss: “We got bullied to a man”

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Watford’s spirits have gone from the penthouse to outhouse in barely a week.

The Hornets hammered Manchester United last week only to look listless against Burnley at Turf Moor on Monday.

[ MATCH RECAP: Burnley 2-0 Watford ]

Outshone under the bright lights of Monday Night Football, Watford captain Troy Deeney is, in a word, angry.

From the BBC:

“Poor. I’ll have to watch my words or I’ll get in trouble. We got bullied to a man, Burnley stuck to their gameplan, fair play to them.

“We lost 2-0 on TV, we got run over and both goals could have been avoided. I’m very disappointed. You set high standards and if you don’t match them people will ask questions.”

With Bournemouth, Middlesbrough, Swansea City, and Hull City next on its Premier League docket, this is not a time for Watford to accept inconsistency.

To a man.