Bournemouth vs. Southampton: Most complex derby in Premier League?

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What is this game?

Nobody really knows.

Some fans will tell you its a rivalry. Others will tell you its a derby. Others dismiss it as anything more meaningful than another game in the Premier League that happens to be between two teams separated by 30 miles.

There is something extra there about Bournemouth vs. Southampton. But it’s complex.

This Sunday Bournemouth host Southampton in a South Coast Derby (Watch live, 8:30 a.m. ET on NBCSN and online via NBCSports.com) for just the second time in the top-flight following their promotion to the Premier League in 2015.

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Last season I went to the first-ever meeting between Southampton and Bournemouth in the top-flight and spent days with both sets of fans trying to decipher what this rivalry was all about.

In truth, it’s still growing and after being embedded among both groups of supporters before the game in November 2015, by the end I was probably more confused as to what it meant but I was also sure that if both teams remained in the Premier League for many years to come it has the potential to flourish into a full blown rivalry. I grew up in southern England and most of my family still reside in the area. Yet still, I have a tough time figuring out what it means and how big of a deal it is.

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What we do know is that the two teams will go into Sunday’s game both on 21 points and looking to cement themselves in the top 10 of the Premier League with a win. There’s no doubting this rivalry has reached its heyday with Southampton no longer the undisputed top dogs, at least on the pitch, in southern England.

Back in 2011 Southampton and Bournemouth were slugging it out in League One, England’s third-tier. Saints sealed two-straight promotions and got back to the Premier League where they’ve been ever since and have now turned into a top six contender which has qualified for Europe in each of the last two seasons.

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After gaining promotion in similar fashion, Bournemouth has similar aspirations and announced earlier this week that they plan to build a new stadium with a much larger capacity than the current 11,000 at the Vitality. The Cherries want to take on their South Coast rivals who have always plucked fans from the New Forest area and towns in and around Bournemouth who wished to watch the Premier League instead of the lower leagues, as Saints continue to attract average crowds of around 30,000.

Now, that’s changed. The gap is closing. These two teams are in the same league and although Southampton’s fan base and resources may be larger than Bournemouth’s, former Bournemouth and Portsmouth defender Eddie Howe is doing a wonderful job to create a young, hungry team which can compete in the top-flight.

Speaking ahead of Sunday’s game, Bournemouth’s manager believes this rivalry is growing and when the Cherries were first promoted to the PL in 2015 he earmarked the two games against Southampton as one of the first he and Bournemouth fans looked for. Bournemouth want to make this into a rivalry.

“We know the importance of this game for our fans and our league position,” Howe said. “The more games we play against Southampton the more the rivalry will grow. It’s something we’re looking forward to.”

Over the last few seasons violent scuffles have broken out between Southampton and Bournemouth fans. One fan was hospitalized after the clash at St Mary’s last November and Bournemouth’s fans are desperate to show the “scummers” that they belong alongside them in the Premier League and are willing to go to extreme measures to, at least in their eyes, prove it. Most of Southampton’s fans are lukewarm about this rivalry, at best, creating yet another layer of complexity to this fixture.

Maybe that’s because the Cherries have beaten Saints just once in the league since 1958. However, that victory was last season at the Vitality Stadium in a real landmark moment as Bournemouth easily survived relegation in their debut PL campaign and have built on that with Jack Wilshere joining on loan in 2016-17 and a recent 4-3 win over Liverpool earmarking their ability.

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Another one of the complexities which muddies this rivalry is the friendliness which has existed between the two clubs over the years. And the towns too, with the two largest settlements on the south coast of England cohabiting rather harmoniously as Bournemouth acts as the chief tourist destination with its golden sand beaches and Southampton is the industrial hub with its bustling port, but there’s so much crossover in business, families and leisure between the two ports.

Pretty much every preseason in living memory has seen these two teams play each other in a friendly but that hasn’t happened in the last two seasons after Bournemouth’s shock promotion to the Premier League for the first-time in their 117-year history. That’s natural. No other rivals in the PL would have a preseason friendly at their home stadium.

When both teams were struggling in the lower divisions and on the verge of liquidation in 2008, the thought of this derby becoming a mainstay in the Premier League would’ve been a wild fantasy for fans of either teams. It always seemed so far off from happening, especially for Bournemouth.

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In their darkest hours the Cherries were bottom of the fourth-tier and cash strapped. Saints agreed to play friendlies at Bournemouth to help raise funds to keep them afloat and have loaned them several players over the years — such as Adam Lallana, current Bournemouth midfielder Andrew Surman, and many others — as they’ve been treated almost like a feeder club for Southampton’s young academy. Hence why Southampton’s fans are not only largely disinterested in the rivalry, but also a bit peeved at upstarts Bournemouth trying to overtake them in the Premier League both on and off the pitch and shouting off their mouths with chants in and around the stadiums and the cities on matchday.

See, it’s complex, right? It’s not like the other rivalries in the Premier League which are much more cut and dry.

Liverpool vs. Manchester United has always been huge, as has Arsenal vs. Tottenham Hotspur and Everton vs. Liverpool. Even a similar rivalry — at least geographically speaking with two settlements close by, but completely separate — such as Newcastle United vs. Sunderland in past PL seasons is much more intense. Simply put, neither team thought this would be the situation they’d be in with only 23 league games played between the two over 126 years. The rivalry is growing rapidly.

Now, with both clubs well-run and funded by wealthy foreign investors, it is a reality and all of a sudden there’s a new derby to watch out for in the Premier League. The problem is, nobody knows what to call it and there’s still a lot of chatter from both sets of fans about what it all means.

Southampton’s new manager Claude Puel will be taking charge of his first game against Bournemouth and he already understands the added importance to fans.

“For our supporters and our fans it is of course important to get a good result against Bournemouth. I know this,” Puel said. “But for me, the players, it is important to stay with the good concentration about our play. I think we will see a good game because the two teams like to play the game on the ground with a good philosophy. I like the philosophy of this team under good work from their trainer and I think it is the same towards Southampton.”

“It’s also a game between the supporters of Bournemouth and Southampton. There is a good rivalry between the two cities. All of this gives a good intensity and atmosphere about this game. The result is important for the fans.”

“The New Forest Derby” was mentioned over the years but that moniker hasn’t really stuck and even the “South Coast Derby” isn’t truly accepted as Southampton vs. Portsmouth is widely regarded as the South Coast Derby given their historically intense rivalry. With Portsmouth languishing in the fourth-tier of English soccer, that particularly derby won’t happen in the Premier League for many years. So, now, almost reluctantly, a new derby on England’s south coast has arrived.

Sunday will be another chance to see just how quickly this burgeoning rivalry is developing.

It may not become one of the biggest in the league but something special is brewing between Bournemouth and Southampton as both teams continue to defy the odds and challenge for a place in the Premier League’s top 10 from their homes on either side of the idyllic New Forest.

You can name this derby whatever you want. Just know it’s on the verge of becoming something much bigger than it ever has been.

It’s hard to be humbled. Anything less could cost Berhalter his job

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Wild nights, positive or negative, deserve reflection one day later. Here’s our bid to put the USMNT’s 2-0 loss to Canada in context less than 24 hours later…

The humbling of Gregg Berhalter is one of two distinct hopes for his survival as United States men’s national team coach.

The other is an unreliable route, one filled with long-term health for his best players on some pie-in-the-sky road where he utilizes the same 12-14 players per game for the rest of his tenure.

So, yeah, the first one is pretty key.

Coaches are by nature arrogant, and Berhalter earned his confidence by nurturing a suboptimal Columbus Crew roster into an over-performing playoff mainstay despite owner and former showgirl Rachel Phelps trying to move the club to Miami (Movie reference No.1, achieved).

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When Berhalter beat out the field of two to lay claim to the USMNT position, he won over the media with Powerpoint slides about Pep Guardiola-inspired possession, which assumed to the delight of the American fan base that the nation had the immediate tools to out-class most of CONCACAF simply by being organized. He even had people handing him cute nicknames and defending the idea of using a Bundesliga regular defensive midfielder as a right back because he was generous with his time. Who needs La Masia when you’ve got the DA?

It should be pointed out that the philosophy’s failure through nine months doesn’t entirely destroy the idea to try it, but Berhalter’s often bizarre player selection and tactical destruction at the hands of Jamaica, Mexico, and now Canada have hastened the end of his honeymoon period almost as effectively as his the federation’s refusal to interview anyone other than Berhalter and Oscar Pareja. I mean, who needs Sergino Dest’s optimism when you can keep trying to jam a Wil Trapp-sized Wil Trapp through an Andrea Pirlo-shaped hole?

So you get what we had last night, a tire fire of a match in which his midfield had no idea what to do with the ball and his forwards might as well have been on a monastic retreat. According to the broadcast, Berhalter thought a miserable first half was due to his men not moving the ball fast enough side-to-side. His answers via subs, even before they were down, were to take off Christian Pulisic and leave creative minds Sebastian Lletget and Tyler Boyd on the bench. After the game, he claimed his players weren’t working hard enough and didn’t match Canada’s desire.

Here’s the problem, though, that’s on Berhalter, too. There were myriad articles out there, including several on this site, detailing Canada’s desperation to get results in the CONCACAF Nations League in order to move into a Top Six CONCACAF spot on the FIFA Rankings and qualify for the Hex.

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All it takes is a cursory look at the Canada roster to see that their electric attackers were their hope of winning the match, and that pressing their relatively weak group of defenders — one of whom has only been a defender for a year — was probably a great idea.

But Berhalter again stuck with his idea that the United States men’s national team program, even without several of its best players, could implement his system anywhere, against anyone.

And it failed spectacularly.

The thing is that Berhalter is actually quite a decent coach, as he proved in Columbus, but whether or not he lives to show it to this American audience in this particular job depends on his accepting the shortcomings of his depleted roster.

I want to talk to you about Aaron Long, and not because of his “Stranger Things” lifeguard haircut (TV show reference No. 1, achieved).

Aaron Long is a mauler, the sort of player who’d be beloved by many segments of the USMNT community in several generations. He gets stuck in, has a good work rate, and can factor on set pieces in the attacking third.

What he does not do very well — and I’ve covered this a lot in this space — is pass the ball and aid in possession. Since breaking into MLS in 2017, the now 27-year-old center back has completed 76, 69, and 65 percent of his passes with the New York Red Bulls.

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Part of that is a function of the Red Bulls’ system; The team doesn’t really care at all about possession, passing at a terrible 68.6 percent, and not one of their players had a completion rate above 80 percent this year. By comparison, 197 players in Major League Soccer completed 80 percent or more of their passes this season (WhoScored).

This is not an argument that Long shouldn’t be in the U.S. system. While he’s had a rough couple of months in the shirt, he’s in the mix for the toughest American center backs in the game.

Might this possession-based idea look a lot better when healthy? Of course, that’s what we mentioned above. John Brooks is by far the best passing center back in the pool, and has been out of the mix for sometime due to injury. The same is true for the side’s best No. 6 in Adams.

But what the Yanks were for so long was difficult to break down, a hassle to play against. Berhalter needs that right now, and he’s got the horses to do it (Watch Jordan Morris’ legs keep moving for 90 minutes if you need proof). Success could then require admitted in front of a microphone that his team can’t hack his system right now, and that he talked down to an entire room last month when they just spit facts his way. That’s humbling, and it’s not fun. But it’s needed.

Adding to the issue is that it’s easy to see the Yanks still emerging from their group by beating Canada in Orlando next month and then walloping Cuba. But if Berhalter hasn’t been humbled and sees victories against the 53rd and 145th ranked teams in EloRatings as validation, well, I’ve got some truly valuable early 1990s baseball cards to sell you for a premium price.

Arrogance does nothing for you if it’s ill-founded. That confidence has felled countless executives, coaches, and players over the years (and yes, even average writers). Being outfoxed by Tata Martino is one thing, but having no reaction to the plan of John Herdman is another (That’s not a shot at Herdman, who had done well with the New Zealand and Canada women, but let’s be real).

We won’t learn whether Berhalter has learned from his errors via results next month, rather by what he does to try and get those results. When Martino beat him in the Gold Cup Final, the rematch two months later was far worse. He gets a second chance to match wits with Herdman next month, and it really cannot get much worse. So he’s got that going for him, which is nice (Movie reference No. 2, achieved).

Last month, I wrote that Berhalter’s duties including the following bare minimum goals.

  1. Qualify for the World Cup
  2. Reach the final of all CONCACAF competitions
  3. Look like an adequate footballing nation in other competitions
  4. Make sure he doesn’t lose any talented dual nationals (also the GM’s job)

No. 1 is still far away, but 2-4… woah. We’re one Alphonso Davies star show away from finishing 2019 without a Gold Cup and no place in the CONCACAF Nations League semifinal. Sergino Dest might’ve skipped town for Ronald Koeman‘s Netherlands set-up either way, but being shoehorned at left back last month probably helped his decision.

Finally, a number of people on Twitter pointed out that Canada is due plenty of respect for out-dueling the USMNT on Tuesday. Absolutely! But if you think a nation with under 1 million registered soccer players should be absolutely clowning a nation with 4 million-plus, a side they hadn’t beaten let alone dominated in 34 years, then you’re not getting the point. There’s room for Canada and the U.S. to both be good, but the Yanks looked like a steaming hot mug of spoiled milk to Canada’s well-chilled bag of the fresh stuff. No good.

Your move, Gregg. Do what you did last night, and last month, and you’ll get the same results. Your only other option is Voodoo dolls of Alphonso Davies and Scott Arfield.

Mbappe in frame for monster contract offers from PSG, Real

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Kylian Mbappe is one of the most dynamic players in the world and doesn’t even turn 21 until late December.

Paris Saint-Germain has locked the youngster up through 2022, but that hasn’t stopped the biggest names in football from being linked with massive bids for his services.

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Dueling reports out of French outlet Le10 Sport claim that Mbappe is set to be offered a monster new $55 million annual contract from Les Parisiens, with Real Madrid ready to offer the big man almost $40 million per year.

The new PSG figure would give Mbappe the richest deal in football, while Real’s offer would sit below only Lionel Messi (at least until the Barcelona legend gets his new deal this winter).

We’ve argued that, given his age and acumen, Mbappe is the one player in world football worth the outlandish numbers it would take to land his services.

At age 20, he’s already a World Cup winner with 13 goals in 33 caps, and his club numbers are eye-popping: 89 goals and 51 assists in 154 matches between Monaco and PSG. Absurd.

Everton’s Gbamin undergoes surgery, out 3 months

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Everton’s lack of scoring prowess has stolen the headlines as Marco Silva‘s men have wasted a wonderful opportunity to start the season off in style.

But it’s been easy to forget that the Toffees have been without the man they bought to help offset the loss of Idrissa Gana Gueye, perhaps their best player two years running, in the form of Jean-Philippe Gbamin.

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The Ivorian cost a reported $30 million this summer when he arrived from Mainz, and Everton won his only start before an injury sent him to the sidelines.

Gbamin has not suitably improved, and is now set for another three months on the sidelines thanks to surgery on his hamstring.

It’s a sock to the gut for a team already wallowing in misfortune. Now sitting 18th, as close to 20th as they are to 10th, it’s difficult to imagine things getting much worse for a team that held so much promise.

Everton hosts West Ham to kickoff the Premier League weekend at 7:30 a.m. ET Saturday.

Pogba, De Gea ruled out for Man United v. Liverpool

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According to our partners at Sky Sports, Manchester United’s David De Gea and Paul Pogba will not play against Liverpool this Sunday (Watch live, 11:30 a.m. ET on NBCSN and online via NBCSports.com).

This is far from ideal for a United side already low in confidence after a dreadful start to the season.

De Gea injured his groin while on international duty with Spain on Tuesday as he injured an abductor while kicking a ball against Sweden in a EURO 2020 qualifier. He is expected to have a full assessment in Manchester on Thursday but isn’t expected to be available to play against Liverpool.

As for Pogba, he suffered a reoccurrence of his foot injury before the international break and has been training in Dubai on his own during the past week to try and speed up his recovery.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has already been without Pogba, Luke Shaw, Anthony Martial and Aaron Wan-Bissaka for large chunks of the season so far, as Man United sit in 12th place in the Premier League table.

“No chance,” Solskjaer said of Pogba’s availability for the weekend. “Paul had an injury, then came back, worked really hard, played a couple of games. Maybe played through the pain barrier. We had a scan after the Arsenal game and he needed a few weeks rest in the boot. Hopefully he won’t be too long but he won’t make this game, no.”

Not having their star goalkeeper and central midfielder available for this clash with bitter rivals Liverpool is another huge setback for Solskjaer, as Sergio Romero and Fred will likely start in their place.

Martial, Shaw and Wan-Bissaka are all expected to miss the game against Liverpool too as Solskjaer will at least have a valid excuse if the Premier League leaders give United a hiding on Sunday.